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23 JEWEL ELGIN B.W. RAYMOND RAILROAD POCKET WATCH UP/DOWN WIND INDICATOR CA1933
Estimated price for orientation: 2 400 $
Category: Watches and Pocket Watches
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Description Movement: Mechanical: Hand-winding Closure: Open Face Features: Railroad Grade Watch, 23 Jewel Movement, Up/Down Wind Inidicator, Subsidiary Seconds Dial, Adjusted to 6 Positions, Motor Barrel, Lever Set, Lever Escpament, 3/4 Plate Movement, Double Sunk Dial, 12-Hour Dial, Arabic Numerals Model: BW Raymond Country Made: USA Serial Number: 34,682,397 Brand: Elgin
23-Jewel Elgin B. W. Raymond Railroad Pocket Watch with Up/Down Wind Indicator
U.S.; Elgin; Man’s; Serial# 34,682,397; CA1933
Complications: Indicator
CASE: The yellow gold-filled 16-size (45-49MM) No. 62,781 plain case features an open face and is signed “Elgin”.
DIAL: This white porcelain double sunk dial displays Up/Down Wind Indicator, Subsidiary Seconds Dial, Arabic numerals, spade hands and is signed “Elgin”.
MOVT: This 23-jewel lever-set No. 34,682,397 movement has 6 positions with lever escapement is nickel with a ¾-plate layout and is signed “Elgin”.
CONDITIONS:
C 2 (The case is in perfect condition)
D 2 (The dial is in perfect condition)
M 3 (The movement is in very good condition)
Expert’s Opinion: The wind indicator you have always sought after, 23-jewel Elgin, Adjustments 6 positions, motor barrel, solid gold center wheel jeweled barrel, super Elgin railroad case and has a most important mint perfect porcelain indicator dial. The Elgin is tripled signed. 81 years, but looks new! AI-RR22016-19te Jewel Count
Jewels are used as bearings to reduce metal-to-metal contacts which produce friction and wear. They improve the performance and accuracy of the watch and materially proglong its usefulness. The materials used for making watch jewels are diamonds, sapphires, rubies and garnets. The diamond is the hardest but is seldom used except for cap jewels. The sapphire is the next hardness and is the most commonly used because of its fine texture. Garnets are softer than than sapphires and rubies. Stem-wind, Lever-Set Movements
Mandatory for all railroad watches after roughly 1908, this kind of pocket watch was set by opening the crystal and bezel and pulling out the setting-lever (most hunter cases have levers accessible without removing the crystal or bezel), which was generally found at either the 10 or 2 o'clock positions on open-faced watches, and at 5:00 on hunting cased watches. Once the lever was pulled out, the crown could be turned to set the time. The lever was then pushed back in and the crystal and bezel were closed over the dial again. This method of time setting on pocket watches was preferred by American and Canadian railroads, as lever setting watches make accidental time changes impossible. After 1908, lever setting was generally required for new watches entering service on American railroads. Up/Down Wind Indicator
Some of the highest quality pocketwatches were equipped with a "wind-indicator" also called an "up-down indicator". The up-down indicator is a small dial indicating the amount of "power reserve" left in the wound mainspring. Most up-down indicators have a scale that points to zero when the watch is fully wound and then gradually indicates to a higher number as the watch runs down. This can be thought of as the number of hours that have elapsed since the watch was last wound.
You should always stop winding when the needle on the indicator reaches zero. On most watches, it's possible to wind a little past the zero mark, but the spring was "set-up" to provide the best time-keeping by stopping at zero. Similarly, you should wind the watch before it drops below the 30 mark to keep it operating in the "middle of the mainspring".
Up-down indicator watches are somewhat rare and are highly-prized by collectors. Adjustment
Watch adjustment is the process of correcting those errors in the watch that cause variation in time keeping. These include temperature influences, variation in driving power and position of the watch with respect to mechanism such as pendant up or dial up. Watches with better calibre movements will have been adjusted at the factory for a number of positions. The usual array of positions include a subset of the following positions:
1. Dial up 2. Dial down 3. Bow up 4. Bow down (Not required by Railroad) 5. Bow left 6. Bow right These positional adjustments are intended to insure that the watch is just as realiable and accurate regardless of the position in which it is stored or used. In addition to positional adjustments, the watch may also be adjusted for Temperature(heat/cold). Temperature affects different elements in different ways. Heat will cause some metals to expand faster than others, and cold may cause some metals to contract more than others. A watch that is adjusted to temperatures will usually include some combination of metals that allow the watch to maintain its proper functionality within a larger range of temperatures than one that is not adjusted for temperature. Another type of adjustment is Isochronism. As a typical watch spring unwinds the pressure it exerts on the wheels of the movement reduces. This has the potential to create a difference in the operating speed of a fully wound watch versus the same watch in an nearly fully unwound state. Adjustments for isochronism attempt to compensate for this potential by maintaining the same pressure from the spring throughout most of the operating range of the watch. This sort of adjustment was generally seen only on the finest railroad grade watches of the 20th century. The general rule of thumb with adjustments is that more is better. However, for average every day use, a typical unadjusted watch was perfectly adequate. Lever Escapement
An escapement is a device in mechanical watches and clocks that transfers energy to the timekeeping element (the "impulse action") and allows the number of its oscillations to be counted (the "locking action"). The impulse action transfers energy to the clock's timekeeping element (usually a pendulum or balance wheel) to replace the energy lost to friction during its cycle and keep the timekeeper oscillating. The escapement is driven by force from a coiled spring or a suspended weight, transmitted through the timepiece's gear train. Each swing of the pendulum or balance wheel releases a tooth of the escapement's escape wheel gear, allowing the clock's gear train to advance or "escape" by a fixed amount. This regular periodic advancement moves the clock's hands forward at a steady rate. At the same time the tooth gives the timekeeping element a push, before another tooth catches on the escapement's pallet, returning the escapement to its "locked" state. The sudden stopping of the escapement's tooth is what generates the characteristic "ticking" sound heard in operating mechanical clocks and watches. 3/4 Plate Layout
The 3/4 plate and the balance cock are flush and about 1/4 of a full plate is cut out to allow for the balance, thus the 3/4 plate.
CUSTOMER SERVICE: Phone 1-800-424-5353 Contact: Rick Gilbert Hours:9 - 5 EST, Monday - Friday Address: eAshland_net Sarasota Arts & Antique Center 640 South Washington Blvd, Suite 200 Sarasota, FL 34236 INTERNATIONAL CUSTOMERS: Import duties, taxes and charges are not included in the item price or shipping charges. These charges are the buyer’s responsibility. Please check with your country’s customs office to determine what these additional costs will be prior to bidding/buying. These charges are normally collected by the delivering freight (shipping) company or when you pick the item up do not confuse them for additional shipping charges. We do not mark merchandise values below value or mark items as “gifts” - US and International government regulations prohibit such behavior. CODE OF ETHICS...Deal with Honesty Ashland is proud of its reputation as a trusted dealer in antique timepieces. Our customers trust and respect is paramount to the success of our business and to that end we constantly strive to exceed your expectations by adhering to the guidelines listed below: eAshland_net Is committed to its customers satisfaction. Clearly, honestly and accurately represents its products, service, terms and conditions. Delivers its products and services as represented. Communicates in a respectful and courteous manner. Responds to inquiries in a constructive timely way. Maintains appropriate security policies and practices to safeguard customer's information. Offers a free 7 day return policy for watches or jewelry, if ever misdescribed. Does not allow customers personally identifiable information to be transferred or shared with any outside organizations or individuals. Honors requests not to receive further solicitations from eAshland_net. Follows the spirit of the law and all applicable guidelines for ethical business practices.RETURN POLICY: All returns must be accompanied by the original packing slip and received in the exact condition as sent. We maintain photos of all items sold, denoting the condition at the time of purchase and shipping. Any returns based on a third party opinion, i.e. jeweler, watch maker, diamond grader or antique dealer, must have a signed, notarized letter, stating exactly why item is not as described. No exceptions will be made.
Description
| Movement: | Mechanical: Hand-winding | Closure: | Open Face |
| Features: | Railroad Grade Watch, 23 Jewel Movement, Up/Down Wind Inidicator, Subsidiary Seconds Dial, Adjusted to 6 Positions, Motor Barrel, Lever Set, Lever Escpament, 3/4 Plate Movement, Double Sunk Dial, 12-Hour Dial, Arabic Numerals | Model: | BW Raymond |
| Country Made: | USA | Serial Number: | 34,682,397 |
| Brand: | Elgin |
U.S.; Elgin; Man’s; Serial# 34,682,397; CA1933
Complications: Indicator
CASE: The yellow gold-filled 16-size (45-49MM) No. 62,781 plain case features an open face and is signed “Elgin”.
DIAL: This white porcelain double sunk dial displays Up/Down Wind Indicator, Subsidiary Seconds Dial, Arabic numerals, spade hands and is signed “Elgin”.
MOVT: This 23-jewel lever-set No. 34,682,397 movement has 6 positions with lever escapement is nickel with a ¾-plate layout and is signed “Elgin”.
CONDITIONS:
C 2 (The case is in perfect condition)
D 2 (The dial is in perfect condition)
M 3 (The movement is in very good condition)
Expert’s Opinion: The wind indicator you have always sought after, 23-jewel Elgin, Adjustments 6 positions, motor barrel, solid gold center wheel jeweled barrel, super Elgin railroad case and has a most important mint perfect porcelain indicator dial. The Elgin is tripled signed. 81 years, but looks new! AI-RR22016-19te Jewel Count
Jewels are used as bearings to reduce metal-to-metal contacts which produce friction and wear. They improve the performance and accuracy of the watch and materially proglong its usefulness. The materials used for making watch jewels are diamonds, sapphires, rubies and garnets. The diamond is the hardest but is seldom used except for cap jewels. The sapphire is the next hardness and is the most commonly used because of its fine texture. Garnets are softer than than sapphires and rubies. Stem-wind, Lever-Set Movements
Mandatory for all railroad watches after roughly 1908, this kind of pocket watch was set by opening the crystal and bezel and pulling out the setting-lever (most hunter cases have levers accessible without removing the crystal or bezel), which was generally found at either the 10 or 2 o'clock positions on open-faced watches, and at 5:00 on hunting cased watches. Once the lever was pulled out, the crown could be turned to set the time. The lever was then pushed back in and the crystal and bezel were closed over the dial again. This method of time setting on pocket watches was preferred by American and Canadian railroads, as lever setting watches make accidental time changes impossible. After 1908, lever setting was generally required for new watches entering service on American railroads. Up/Down Wind Indicator
Some of the highest quality pocketwatches were equipped with a "wind-indicator" also called an "up-down indicator". The up-down indicator is a small dial indicating the amount of "power reserve" left in the wound mainspring. Most up-down indicators have a scale that points to zero when the watch is fully wound and then gradually indicates to a higher number as the watch runs down. This can be thought of as the number of hours that have elapsed since the watch was last wound.
You should always stop winding when the needle on the indicator reaches zero. On most watches, it's possible to wind a little past the zero mark, but the spring was "set-up" to provide the best time-keeping by stopping at zero. Similarly, you should wind the watch before it drops below the 30 mark to keep it operating in the "middle of the mainspring".
Up-down indicator watches are somewhat rare and are highly-prized by collectors. Adjustment
Watch adjustment is the process of correcting those errors in the watch that cause variation in time keeping. These include temperature influences, variation in driving power and position of the watch with respect to mechanism such as pendant up or dial up. Watches with better calibre movements will have been adjusted at the factory for a number of positions. The usual array of positions include a subset of the following positions:
1. Dial up 2. Dial down 3. Bow up 4. Bow down (Not required by Railroad) 5. Bow left 6. Bow right These positional adjustments are intended to insure that the watch is just as realiable and accurate regardless of the position in which it is stored or used. In addition to positional adjustments, the watch may also be adjusted for Temperature(heat/cold). Temperature affects different elements in different ways. Heat will cause some metals to expand faster than others, and cold may cause some metals to contract more than others. A watch that is adjusted to temperatures will usually include some combination of metals that allow the watch to maintain its proper functionality within a larger range of temperatures than one that is not adjusted for temperature. Another type of adjustment is Isochronism. As a typical watch spring unwinds the pressure it exerts on the wheels of the movement reduces. This has the potential to create a difference in the operating speed of a fully wound watch versus the same watch in an nearly fully unwound state. Adjustments for isochronism attempt to compensate for this potential by maintaining the same pressure from the spring throughout most of the operating range of the watch. This sort of adjustment was generally seen only on the finest railroad grade watches of the 20th century. The general rule of thumb with adjustments is that more is better. However, for average every day use, a typical unadjusted watch was perfectly adequate. Lever Escapement
An escapement is a device in mechanical watches and clocks that transfers energy to the timekeeping element (the "impulse action") and allows the number of its oscillations to be counted (the "locking action"). The impulse action transfers energy to the clock's timekeeping element (usually a pendulum or balance wheel) to replace the energy lost to friction during its cycle and keep the timekeeper oscillating. The escapement is driven by force from a coiled spring or a suspended weight, transmitted through the timepiece's gear train. Each swing of the pendulum or balance wheel releases a tooth of the escapement's escape wheel gear, allowing the clock's gear train to advance or "escape" by a fixed amount. This regular periodic advancement moves the clock's hands forward at a steady rate. At the same time the tooth gives the timekeeping element a push, before another tooth catches on the escapement's pallet, returning the escapement to its "locked" state. The sudden stopping of the escapement's tooth is what generates the characteristic "ticking" sound heard in operating mechanical clocks and watches. 3/4 Plate Layout
The 3/4 plate and the balance cock are flush and about 1/4 of a full plate is cut out to allow for the balance, thus the 3/4 plate.
CUSTOMER SERVICE: Phone 1-800-424-5353 Contact: Rick Gilbert Hours:9 - 5 EST, Monday - Friday Address: eAshland_net Sarasota Arts & Antique Center 640 South Washington Blvd, Suite 200 Sarasota, FL 34236 INTERNATIONAL CUSTOMERS: Import duties, taxes and charges are not included in the item price or shipping charges. These charges are the buyer’s responsibility. Please check with your country’s customs office to determine what these additional costs will be prior to bidding/buying. These charges are normally collected by the delivering freight (shipping) company or when you pick the item up do not confuse them for additional shipping charges. We do not mark merchandise values below value or mark items as “gifts” - US and International government regulations prohibit such behavior. CODE OF ETHICS...Deal with Honesty Ashland is proud of its reputation as a trusted dealer in antique timepieces. Our customers trust and respect is paramount to the success of our business and to that end we constantly strive to exceed your expectations by adhering to the guidelines listed below: eAshland_net Is committed to its customers satisfaction. Clearly, honestly and accurately represents its products, service, terms and conditions. Delivers its products and services as represented. Communicates in a respectful and courteous manner. Responds to inquiries in a constructive timely way. Maintains appropriate security policies and practices to safeguard customer's information. Offers a free 7 day return policy for watches or jewelry, if ever misdescribed. Does not allow customers personally identifiable information to be transferred or shared with any outside organizations or individuals. Honors requests not to receive further solicitations from eAshland_net. Follows the spirit of the law and all applicable guidelines for ethical business practices.RETURN POLICY: All returns must be accompanied by the original packing slip and received in the exact condition as sent. We maintain photos of all items sold, denoting the condition at the time of purchase and shipping. Any returns based on a third party opinion, i.e. jeweler, watch maker, diamond grader or antique dealer, must have a signed, notarized letter, stating exactly why item is not as described. No exceptions will be made.